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idea dudeSun Jul-13-08 03:15 AM
 
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"new product idea!"


          

this is something i can manufacture a prototype of in my garage, i have not done so yet, my question is this where do i start once i make the product, patent, trademark, manufactures web name, logo, which do i tackle first, and who can i trust?

do what you like! like what you do!

  

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sellmyinventorySun Jul-13-08 05:06 AM
 
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#1. "RE: new product idea!"
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Hello idea dude,
I have always researched any questions about procedures by googling the question. After finding what I deemed reliable information I followed up by contacting the various agencies related to the inquiry. It is a long and tedious,but necessary procedure.
I hope that this might help and much luck in your project.I never take "that will never work" for an answer. I try it.

Good luck,
Paul

You're sitting on a pot of gold...and you don't know it.Find out how to cash it in.
http://www.sellmyinventory.com

  

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Penny BallouWed Jul-23-08 06:14 PM
 
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#2. "RE: new product idea!"
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Greetings!

ANSWER #2: The first thing you will want to do is a patent search to determine whether your product has already been patented. Then, make a prototype and file for a patent. That will protect your invention and you can then work on the other aspects of your business.
===================================================================
I'd like to address the above answer:
Filing for a patent will NOT protect an invention. Only "issued" patents protect inventions or products and even then until they are challenged in a legal arena and win, their strength is questionable. Even patents can be overturned and/or invalidated.

Now I'll work around to your Q:
During "patent pending" one liberally uses "Non Disclosure/Non Compete Agreements" UNLESS one intends to self-venture the product - get it to market ASAP - in which case one marks "pat pending" on packaging, container, product, brochure, usage instructions, labels etc in the hopes the sharks don't move in right away with cheap variations (assuming the product becomes a hot seller attracting blood sucking copy-cat predators).

Now to one of your Qs:
I can manufacture a prototype of in my garage, i have not done so yet.

a) One Q is, do you seek to become an entrepreneur or a garage tinkerer producing a few per day, every day, day in and day out (while probably working a regular job) in addition to handling marketing, sales, distribution, etc? How big do you want your operation to become and by when? Usually garage production facilities get focused on production and not delivery. To handle marketing, sales, delivery one has to cease production resulting in the venture operating in ?fits and starts? while its owner wonders why the operation is not steadily growing. I see no problem with it, if that is your goal or where your Business Plan indicates is a viable starting point but watch getting stuck in a production rut wondering when/where orders are coming from.

Next question:
Where do i start once i make the product, patent, trademark, manufactures web name, logo, which do i tackle first, and who can i trust?

1. You've started
2. You work out production costs/wholesale pricing/graphics/packaging/where to get orders/delivery lines and pricing/insurance/warranties etc based competitive product sales. If there are none you find indirect sellers of similar products. Study their pricing spreads to determine where your product should fall within it to meet what customers and/or end users are willing to pay.
3. As to patenting, use www.google.com/patents as an elementary patent search engine before working out the Class and sub-classes your invention would fit into then go to the patent office website to learn how to input its numeric codes since that site is most effectively used when numerics are inputted and not keywords. What you seek may be in patent Claims so don't get stuck looking only at the picture on the face of likely patents but read their Claims too. Just because "it" is not on or in the marketplace doesn't mean it's not an cited as an variation embodiment not being marketed at this time for one of any number of reasons such as: being withheld because patent owner wants to save it for licensing opportunities or save it only market forces align and gaps open for it to be viably produced or save it to trade.....there are a zillion reasons to include alternative embodiments in patents none of which may have anything to do with marketing them.

b). Look into what a Provisional Application for Patent is (assuming it qualifies for a Utility versus a Design patent since PAPs don't work with Design patents) as it's something you can write and file yourself thereby securing for one-year the legal right to paste the term "pat pending" on anything to do with your invention - for a grand cost of $105.

Your trademark question:
There are rules about wis a strong versus weak mark that you should learn about. Visit a local PTDL (patent and trademark depository library) in your area. There they teach searching. Or, perform a free Federal search on TESS (TRADEMARK section of the patent office at www.uspto.gov). Were one only intending to sell locally, it's cheaper/faster to file a mark locally via the Secretary of State's office in their trademark section.

It might be a smart move to one day register all IP with the US Customs Service when and if your product becomes a hot seller as it will likely attract foreign sharks. The IP division of US Customs can be helpful in seizing/holding infringing products on the docks - after they receive okay from a higher body within their organization.

As to a domain/website etc:
All the above can be executed concomitantly. Ideally were you to have future plans to expand the product line, one would select a non-limiting domain to encompass several divisions each offering different product lines to different market segments versus picking a domain name limited to the name of the current product unless this will be the only product ever produced. In other words, likely the domain may be trademarkable too if it would qualify for a strong mark.

As to a logo:
They usually run from $100 - $1000. The logo might be trademarkable and even copyrightable.

The point I hope to get across is that when looking at IP landscapes one aims for uniformity of message, look, marks, etc so everything ties back and into everything else because, potentially, each piece of IP is or could become worth money if/when one decides to sell or leverage it for something else.

The bigger picture (long-range)goal versus short-range objectives are where to look initially so one aligns all parts together directing them in unisom toward that goal.

Sorry, out of time. All the best.

Regards,
Penny Ballou

  

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idea dudeThu Jul-24-08 11:07 AM
 
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#3. "RE: new product idea!"
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wow thank you so much for spending that time to tell me a little about what i should do that was very very generous of you and wanted to let you know i really appreciate it thanks!!

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Penny BallouThu Jul-24-08 11:21 AM
 
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My pleasure.

Penny Ballou
www.inventored.org

  

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PepperfireFri Jul-25-08 07:31 AM
 
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#5. "RE: new product idea!"
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>Greetings!
>
>ANSWER #2: The first thing you will want to do is a patent
>search to determine whether your product has already been
>patented. Then, make a prototype and file for a patent. That
>will protect your invention and you can then work on the other
>aspects of your business.
>===================================================================
>I'd like to address the above answer:
>Filing for a patent will NOT protect an invention. Only
>"issued" patents protect inventions or products and
>even then until they are challenged in a legal arena and win,
>their strength is questionable. Even patents can be overturned
>and/or invalidated.
>
>Now I'll work around to your Q:
>During "patent pending" one liberally uses "Non
>Disclosure/Non Compete Agreements" UNLESS one intends to
>self-venture the product - get it to market ASAP - in which
>case one marks "pat pending" on packaging,
>container, product, brochure, usage instructions, labels etc
>in the hopes the sharks don't move in right away with cheap
>variations (assuming the product becomes a hot seller
>attracting blood sucking copy-cat predators).
>
>Now to one of your Qs:
>I can manufacture a prototype of in my garage, i have not done
>so yet.
>
>a) One Q is, do you seek to become an entrepreneur or a garage
>tinkerer producing a few per day, every day, day in and day
>out (while probably working a regular job) in addition to
>handling marketing, sales, distribution, etc? How big do you
>want your operation to become and by when? Usually garage
>production facilities get focused on production and not
>delivery. To handle marketing, sales, delivery one has to
>cease production resulting in the venture operating in ?fits
>and starts? while its owner wonders why the operation is not
>steadily growing. I see no problem with it, if that is your
>goal or where your Business Plan indicates is a viable
>starting point but watch getting stuck in a production rut
>wondering when/where orders are coming from.
>
>Next question:
>Where do i start once i make the product, patent, trademark,
>manufactures web name, logo, which do i tackle first, and who
>can i trust?
>
>1. You've started
>2. You work out production costs/wholesale
>pricing/graphics/packaging/where to get orders/delivery lines
>and pricing/insurance/warranties etc based competitive product
>sales. If there are none you find indirect sellers of similar
>products. Study their pricing spreads to determine where your
>product should fall within it to meet what customers and/or
>end users are willing to pay.
>3. As to patenting, use www.google.com/patents as an
>elementary patent search engine before working out the Class
>and sub-classes your invention would fit into then go to the
>patent office website to learn how to input its numeric codes
>since that site is most effectively used when numerics are
>inputted and not keywords. What you seek may be in patent
>Claims so don't get stuck looking only at the picture on the
>face of likely patents but read their Claims too. Just because
>"it" is not on or in the marketplace doesn't mean
>it's not an cited as an variation embodiment not being
>marketed at this time for one of any number of reasons such
>as: being withheld because patent owner wants to save it for
>licensing opportunities or save it only market forces align
>and gaps open for it to be viably produced or save it to
>trade.....there are a zillion reasons to include alternative
>embodiments in patents none of which may have anything to do
>with marketing them.
>
>b). Look into what a Provisional Application for Patent is
>(assuming it qualifies for a Utility versus a Design patent
>since PAPs don't work with Design patents) as it's something
>you can write and file yourself thereby securing for one-year
>the legal right to paste the term "pat pending" on
>anything to do with your invention - for a grand cost of $105.
>
>
>Your trademark question:
>There are rules about wis a strong versus weak mark that you
>should learn about. Visit a local PTDL (patent and trademark
>depository library) in your area. There they teach searching.
>Or, perform a free Federal search on TESS (TRADEMARK section
>of the patent office at www.uspto.gov). Were one only
>intending to sell locally, it's cheaper/faster to file a mark
>locally via the Secretary of State's office in their trademark
>section.
>
>It might be a smart move to one day register all IP with the
>US Customs Service when and if your product becomes a hot
>seller as it will likely attract foreign sharks. The IP
>division of US Customs can be helpful in seizing/holding
>infringing products on the docks - after they receive okay
>from a higher body within their organization.
>
>As to a domain/website etc:
>All the above can be executed concomitantly. Ideally were you
>to have future plans to expand the product line, one would
>select a non-limiting domain to encompass several divisions
>each offering different product lines to different market
>segments versus picking a domain name limited to the name of
>the current product unless this will be the only product ever
>produced. In other words, likely the domain may be
>trademarkable too if it would qualify for a strong mark.
>
>As to a logo:
>They usually run from $100 - $1000. The logo might be
>trademarkable and even copyrightable.
>
>The point I hope to get across is that when looking at IP
>landscapes one aims for uniformity of message, look, marks,
>etc so everything ties back and into everything else because,
>potentially, each piece of IP is or could become worth money
>if/when one decides to sell or leverage it for something else.
>
>
>The bigger picture (long-range)goal versus short-range
>objectives are where to look initially so one aligns all parts
>together directing them in unisom toward that goal.
>
>Sorry, out of time. All the best.
>
>Regards,
>Penny Ballou
>
>

Penny, as a regular contributor to IC, I just wanted to let you know how fantastic it is to see such a great, detailed response to a question.

I think this response is above and beyond and you should know it!

T

Tina Brooks, VP Marketing
Brooks Pepperfire Foods, Inc.
Makers of Peppermaster Hot Sauces
http://www.peppermaster.com

Eat more peppers!

  

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Penny BallouFri Jul-25-08 08:41 AM
 
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#6. "RE: new product idea!"
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Penny, as a regular contributor to IC, I just wanted to let you know how fantastic it is to see such a great, detailed response to a question. I think this response is above and beyond and you should know it!
=================================================================

Appreciated!

  

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idea dudeFri Jul-25-08 12:17 PM
 
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#7. "RE: hey pepper head!!"
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U think I should know it? did u see my great thanks to penny!! hello, sounds like your a pepper head alright!!!

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Penny BallouFri Jul-25-08 03:42 PM
 
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#8. "RE: hey pepper head!!"
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I forgot to thank you too Idea Dude ("ID")...so rude of me.

Let me ask you to define what a "pepper head" is.

Cheers!

Penny Ballou

  

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idea dudeSun Jul-27-08 12:31 AM
 
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#9. "RE: confusion"
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i wrote to pepper head in a respons to a statement he made to me saying that i should know how great it was that penny gave me such great information and how nice it was of u to do so, that got me upset because ther first thing i did was thank penny for the great time and care that was given to me from penny, i wrote to pepper head with no meaning behind it because he was trying to say i should know it, i made up pepper head cause in his closing statement he sichen eat more peppers, peny thanks agai

do what you like! like what you do!

  

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PepperfireMon Jul-28-08 03:46 AM
 
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#10. "RE: confusion"
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>i wrote to pepper head in a respons to a statement he made to
>me saying that i should know how great it was that penny gave
>me such great information and how nice it was of u to do so,
>that got me upset because ther first thing i did was thank
>penny for the great time and care that was given to me from
>penny, i wrote to pepper head with no meaning behind it
>because he was trying to say i should know it, i made up
>pepper head cause in his closing statement he sichen eat more
>peppers, peny thanks agai

I wrote my post to tell Penny what a great message she'd posted.

I gave no thought to you and I apologize for any negative thoughts you had that may have been caused by my post. It was not in any way designed to upset you and I am sorry if it did.

I will ignore any of the misplaced animous you directed my way and hope you can reread my post to Penny in the spirit it was intended.

Btw... the person you have called "Pepper head" is a woman.

Have a great day.

Tina Brooks, VP Marketing
Brooks Pepperfire Foods, Inc.
Makers of Peppermaster Hot Sauces
http://www.peppermaster.com

Eat more peppers!

  

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PepperfireMon Jul-28-08 03:47 AM
 
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#11. "RE: hey pepper head!!"
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>U think I should know it? did u see my great thanks to
>penny!! hello, sounds like your a pepper head alright!!!
>

Actually... I think PENNY should know it. The post wasn't addressed to you. It was addressed to Penny.

Tina Brooks, VP Marketing
Brooks Pepperfire Foods, Inc.
Makers of Peppermaster Hot Sauces
http://www.peppermaster.com

Eat more peppers!

  

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